. >> sorrow la, roland you heard . he's doing it at 450. you can't say you won't negotiate on something you're going to have to negotiate on, right? >> actually you can. it's called negotiating position. we see it all the time. how many times have you had people when it comes to negotiating a contract i won't take less than this and then they do. that's what negotiation is all about. the whole point in having a hard stance is to for the opposition to come down on theirs. speaker boehner put out a proposal taxes on a million dollars. his own party rejected that. this is what you do in negotiations. take a hard line and you typically are going to soften it when you get a compromise. >> the problem is now the president has come out and said, chastised congress appropria appropriately. said i'm not going to negotiate. this will embold enthem to be nasty center >> i think part of the issue is when you look at the most of the republican members of the house they are coming from safe districts so they are keeping their potential primary challenges